1 00:00:16,390 --> 00:00:09,240 all right 2 00:00:23,950 --> 00:00:20,390 come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I 3 00:00:26,650 --> 00:00:23,960 feel like an evizing Blast Off Blast Off 4 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:26,660 blast off 5 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:42,049 Blast Off on another epic episode of the 6 00:00:49,209 --> 00:00:44,760 hyper anomalous esoteric research 7 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:49,219 organization podcast AKA hero paranormal 8 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:51,780 broadcasting from the base at lamadre 9 00:00:57,889 --> 00:00:55,140 Mountain just south of area 51. my name 10 00:01:00,970 --> 00:00:57,899 is Ryan the Paranormal pontificator of 11 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:00,980 the airwaves bringing you a tremendously 12 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:04,979 interesting episode tonight it's a weird 13 00:01:09,070 --> 00:01:06,540 one but 14 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:09,080 it's true 15 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:12,840 dowsing in occultism is the use of a 16 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:16,080 forked piece of Hazel Rowan or Willow 17 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:16,920 Wood 18 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:19,880 or a y-shaped metal rod 19 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:23,400 or a pendulum suspended by a nylon or 20 00:01:29,530 --> 00:01:26,280 silk thread in an attempt to detect such 21 00:01:33,410 --> 00:01:29,540 hidden substances as water minerals 22 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:33,420 treasure archaeological remains and even 23 00:01:38,569 --> 00:01:35,220 dead bodies 24 00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:38,579 this has become quite the Lost Art 25 00:01:44,210 --> 00:01:42,180 and it's hard to find people who use 26 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:44,220 this type of divination 27 00:01:51,410 --> 00:01:46,979 and attempt to locate groundwater 28 00:01:53,210 --> 00:01:51,420 buried Metals oars gemstones oil 29 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:53,220 Etc 30 00:02:00,889 --> 00:01:57,119 people that use divining rods 31 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:00,899 have been known by many terms 32 00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:03,360 and among them 33 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:06,420 diviners water witch 34 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:07,920 Dowsers 35 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:10,080 the hidden knowledge with the aid of 36 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:12,080 Supernatural Powers seems to be 37 00:02:16,850 --> 00:02:14,879 something of the past and it's hard to 38 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:16,860 find people 39 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:19,440 who still practice using a fork stick 40 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:22,200 Rod pendulum or similar device to locate 41 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:23,640 these things 42 00:02:27,890 --> 00:02:26,580 is it the real deal or just the stuff of 43 00:02:30,770 --> 00:02:27,900 woo 44 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:30,780 many have not suspended their disbelief 45 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:33,540 to see for themselves for centuries 46 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:36,660 Dowsers have claimed the ability to find 47 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:39,480 groundwater precious metals bodies and 48 00:02:45,229 --> 00:02:42,239 other items using divining rods and of 49 00:02:47,449 --> 00:02:45,239 course uncanny intuition aside from 50 00:02:51,009 --> 00:02:47,459 intuition they searched the landscape 51 00:02:53,449 --> 00:02:51,019 for Clues a valley say 52 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:53,459 cottonwoods different types of trees and 53 00:02:59,990 --> 00:02:57,360 bushes geologic maps are used they scan 54 00:03:01,190 --> 00:03:00,000 for underground Pockets where water May 55 00:03:05,089 --> 00:03:01,200 pool 56 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:05,099 there is something to it all and it 57 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:06,480 seems to work 58 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:09,360 dowsing is the old world way of finding 59 00:03:13,729 --> 00:03:10,260 things 60 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:13,739 it is not definitively a science 61 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:15,420 however 62 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:18,180 it is a method born before the 63 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:21,360 enlightenment of true hard scientists 64 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:24,480 however many of those who hire Dowsers 65 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:26,459 say they don't need to know 66 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:29,280 the science behind it they don't need to 67 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:32,040 know how the magic works all they care 68 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:35,120 about is that it does work 69 00:03:42,229 --> 00:03:38,940 and we have someone today who has a 70 00:03:44,270 --> 00:03:42,239 track record of it working 71 00:03:47,449 --> 00:03:44,280 his name is Otto 72 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:47,459 Otto the dowser he has been on a lot of 73 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:49,980 interesting projects spending weekends 74 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:52,260 following the Oregon Trail 75 00:03:56,030 --> 00:03:54,780 finding out the true history of the 76 00:03:58,729 --> 00:03:56,040 Oregon Trail 77 00:04:01,430 --> 00:03:58,739 which is a mystery itself another 78 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:01,440 mystery is why everybody has not 79 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:03,180 subscribed 80 00:04:08,750 --> 00:04:06,540 to be a patron for hero paranormal if 81 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,760 you'd like to subscribe there is a ton 82 00:04:14,449 --> 00:04:11,459 of content behind the paywall go to 83 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,459 patreon search for hero paranormal And 84 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,919 subscribe you can also go to 85 00:04:22,090 --> 00:04:18,959 heroparanormal.com 86 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:22,100 well let's get into it dinosaur heads 87 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:27,120 aliens UFOs and dowsing along the 88 00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:30,240 mysterious Oregon Trail and high 89 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:33,060 strangeness found in the hayuenta 90 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:39,590 Otto welcome to the hero paranormal 91 00:04:43,129 --> 00:04:40,740 podcast 92 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:43,139 thank you I'm glad uh you're gonna 93 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:45,300 listen to my story today that I have to 94 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:47,040 share with you Ryan 95 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:49,800 I'm very excited I've heard tidbits here 96 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:51,300 and there and I know it's going to be a 97 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:52,740 good one 98 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:55,800 I think so I think you'll be interested 99 00:05:00,050 --> 00:04:57,600 I'll start off with 100 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:00,060 me and my grandson do our yearly hikes 101 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:04,320 up into the Wilderness of the Unis and 102 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:07,380 on that July day we were up there doing 103 00:05:11,629 --> 00:05:09,120 our hiking 104 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:11,639 and we camped at our usual Camp spot 105 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:14,100 with a fire going 106 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:17,780 and uh starting to get dusks 107 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:21,060 and uh I commented to my grandson I says 108 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:23,039 we haven't seen any contrails like we 109 00:05:27,529 --> 00:05:25,199 usually do of airplanes passing over and 110 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:27,539 he says you know you're right grandpa 111 00:05:32,029 --> 00:05:29,520 and then he looked up 112 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:32,039 where the tree line quits up in one of 113 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:33,600 the Peaks and he goes there's something 114 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:35,340 that just dropped out of the rain cloud 115 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:37,440 up there 116 00:05:41,570 --> 00:05:39,780 and I says I can't see it Merrick and he 117 00:05:44,090 --> 00:05:41,580 says look Grandpa right there it's got a 118 00:05:46,189 --> 00:05:44,100 flashing light on it 119 00:05:48,370 --> 00:05:46,199 and then I looked and I says oh yeah now 120 00:05:51,409 --> 00:05:48,380 I see it 121 00:05:53,210 --> 00:05:51,419 and uh we kept an eye on it and I says 122 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:53,220 Merrick I think this thing's coming at 123 00:05:58,610 --> 00:05:55,680 us it's getting bigger and bigger 124 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:58,620 and sure enough this object that we 125 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:01,440 first seen was coming and it is just 126 00:06:04,969 --> 00:06:03,120 cruising over the top of the trees 127 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:04,979 toward us 128 00:06:11,870 --> 00:06:08,039 and Ryan this was like a big dinner bell 129 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:11,880 like the triangle of a of a the dinner 130 00:06:17,689 --> 00:06:15,360 thing and it was flying upright 131 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:17,699 and it had red lights going on the 132 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:20,400 outside of this thing 133 00:06:28,189 --> 00:06:25,919 and has approached us it was up above 134 00:06:32,029 --> 00:06:28,199 if you can visualize we're in a clearing 135 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:32,039 and there is a a little Hill up above us 136 00:06:36,650 --> 00:06:34,380 and it stopped up there on top of that 137 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:36,660 hill where there's some pine trees up on 138 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:37,620 top 139 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:41,759 lights started going in the center of it 140 00:06:46,370 --> 00:06:44,460 and it kept going back and forth back 141 00:06:49,730 --> 00:06:46,380 and forth 142 00:06:52,010 --> 00:06:49,740 and then it decided to get down and land 143 00:06:53,230 --> 00:06:52,020 behind there and that's when things got 144 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:53,240 interesting 145 00:06:57,590 --> 00:06:55,620 started scaring both of us you know and 146 00:06:59,529 --> 00:06:57,600 I'm the adult situation I don't know how 147 00:07:03,469 --> 00:06:59,539 I'm going to handle this 148 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:03,479 and I looked at my phone and it was uh I 149 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:05,160 kept track of the time of the landing 150 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:07,680 but then 45 minutes went by I don't I 151 00:07:10,909 --> 00:07:08,940 didn't know what happened in the 45 152 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:10,919 minutes 153 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:13,380 and when I look back at my phone you 154 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:14,880 know that's when I knew there was almost 155 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:17,580 an hour they were on the ground and we 156 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:20,880 seen this object take off 157 00:07:26,050 --> 00:07:23,220 and then it just slowly went to the west 158 00:07:29,629 --> 00:07:26,060 and disappeared 159 00:07:31,730 --> 00:07:29,639 well then it was two years later 160 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:31,740 I mean my grandson decided to hike up 161 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:33,240 into that area 162 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:35,639 and we found where it landed and it left 163 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:38,039 a big triangle mark 164 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:40,380 in that area and I didn't think anything 165 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:42,380 of it 166 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:46,440 then I got this gift of dousing I don't 167 00:07:52,129 --> 00:07:48,479 know where it came from I just started 168 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:52,139 dousing for some reason I don't know 169 00:07:56,870 --> 00:07:54,240 and I started dousing and I started 170 00:07:58,670 --> 00:07:56,880 finding all these Indian Graves hiking 171 00:08:01,969 --> 00:07:58,680 up to this area 172 00:08:04,129 --> 00:08:01,979 where we were camped on the trail 173 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:04,139 but when I went up to that particular 174 00:08:08,450 --> 00:08:07,500 landing area there are no bodies buried 175 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:08,460 there 176 00:08:13,430 --> 00:08:10,680 in that landing craft area they're 177 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:13,440 buried everywhere else but not there 178 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:16,020 I don't know why but makes makes the 179 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:18,020 Mind Wonder 180 00:08:23,809 --> 00:08:21,060 so my grandson goes he goes uh Grandpa 181 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:23,819 while you're there you uh try to douse 182 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:25,620 her bodies here where they landed so I 183 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:27,660 did and sure enough 184 00:08:32,649 --> 00:08:29,759 I didn't think I'd pick anything up but 185 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:32,659 there was uh four bodies buried 186 00:08:38,209 --> 00:08:35,760 two on one of the corners and then one 187 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:38,219 on each at the lower corners of the 188 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:40,159 landing area 189 00:08:45,050 --> 00:08:42,839 and they measured a little over four 190 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:45,060 feet 191 00:08:49,850 --> 00:08:47,040 and 192 00:08:53,509 --> 00:08:49,860 I could tell the sexes of the bodies I'm 193 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:53,519 I'm 100 on those Ryan and there's no 194 00:08:58,910 --> 00:08:55,200 gender 195 00:09:02,570 --> 00:08:58,920 bodies 196 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:02,580 and I found that a little strange 197 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:05,940 and uh my mind's been going ever since 198 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:08,580 so I said something to one of my 199 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:09,899 customers 200 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:12,120 I says Kip I says you ain't gonna 201 00:09:15,949 --> 00:09:13,740 believe it but right up there where I 202 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:15,959 used to Elk up we've seen a UFO and he 203 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:19,140 says God that's weird we elk hunt about 204 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:22,560 six seven miles west of you and one of 205 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:24,180 our Hunting Party had the same 206 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:26,760 experiences two years prior 207 00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:29,640 Premiere sighting and it was just came 208 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:31,560 down early in the morning and buzzed 209 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:33,600 right through a clearing and he said 210 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:35,640 that individual won't leave Camp again 211 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:38,640 it just scared the Daylights out of him 212 00:09:42,769 --> 00:09:40,500 and so we talked a little bit more and 213 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:42,779 Kip says the old man that told them 214 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:44,940 about this hunting spot says he's seen 215 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:47,100 it 30 years prior 216 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:49,800 so this thing has been around a while or 217 00:09:54,230 --> 00:09:52,380 several crafts I do not know 218 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:54,240 Ryan but I find that very very 219 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:56,300 interesting that they are in that area 220 00:10:04,250 --> 00:09:59,760 yeah and you and I have talked before 221 00:10:07,009 --> 00:10:04,260 earlier today and I I don't want to give 222 00:10:09,050 --> 00:10:07,019 people too many Clues I uh but can we 223 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:09,060 tell people generally what state this 224 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:10,800 was in 225 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:13,620 uh the the state 226 00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:16,260 yeah it's it's in Utah 227 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:18,720 and it's in the the north the North 228 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:21,240 Slope of the uenas 229 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:23,160 so if you go on the other side you have 230 00:10:27,769 --> 00:10:25,140 the White Rock Indian reservation and 231 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:27,779 then you have the bottle Hollow Resort 232 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:30,420 and then you have all the ongoings of 233 00:10:35,329 --> 00:10:33,240 the branches down there you know the 234 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:35,339 Skinwalker Ranch and everything else so 235 00:10:39,949 --> 00:10:37,620 this is in the whole line of everything 236 00:10:42,590 --> 00:10:39,959 right there 237 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:42,600 if that helps you that's very helpful 238 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:44,880 and also to give listeners a little 239 00:10:50,329 --> 00:10:48,300 background you have extensive experience 240 00:10:52,370 --> 00:10:50,339 dowsing and have been following the 241 00:10:54,829 --> 00:10:52,380 Oregon Trail finding bodies and other 242 00:10:58,370 --> 00:10:54,839 things so you would obviously know and 243 00:11:00,790 --> 00:10:58,380 be able to tell if these had gender so 244 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:00,800 this was kind of an anomaly wasn't it 245 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:04,100 yes it actually threw me for a loop Ryan 246 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:08,399 I I could not believe that those rods 247 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:10,980 will act I know when I'm over a body I 248 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:14,399 can actually feel it and they'll usually 249 00:11:19,009 --> 00:11:16,620 give me a gender right away they would 250 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:19,019 not move and I know they were bodies in 251 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:19,920 there 252 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:22,920 and I'm a hundred percent on when I 253 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:25,320 douse because I'll go to a graveyard to 254 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:27,120 make sure I'm not second guessing myself 255 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:29,640 and my grandsons will cover the marker 256 00:11:34,009 --> 00:11:31,560 up and they'll have me say boy or girl 257 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:34,019 you know and stuff like that and I'm 100 258 00:11:38,509 --> 00:11:35,760 on these 259 00:11:41,449 --> 00:11:38,519 and I'm also able to find the dinosaurs 260 00:11:45,290 --> 00:11:41,459 now doing this and pick up their genders 261 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:45,300 it's really just coming a long way 262 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:47,820 so and then I'm stumbling on greater 263 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:49,800 burial grounds some of them are a mile 264 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:52,140 square of Indians 265 00:11:58,250 --> 00:11:54,420 and this one here is a new one that I 266 00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:58,260 discovered and the Indians they uh Ryan 267 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:00,240 have never kept record 268 00:12:06,530 --> 00:12:04,079 of uh how they bury you know I've been 269 00:12:10,009 --> 00:12:06,540 finding that they'll bury the females 270 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:10,019 separate from the males and as I I go 271 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:12,959 through these burials uh areas they 272 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:15,720 never deviate they never mess up and put 273 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:18,120 a male accidentally into a female burial 274 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:20,040 ground how did they how did they do that 275 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:22,160 for thousands of years 276 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:25,140 you know it's just that I find it just 277 00:12:29,449 --> 00:12:27,660 so fascinating and I ask Indian people 278 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:29,459 about it and nobody can give me an 279 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:31,740 answer why they separated the male from 280 00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:32,880 female 281 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:36,420 that's interesting and yes for for those 282 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:37,920 listeners that aren't familiar with 283 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:41,040 dowsing and it's been used for hundreds 284 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:43,200 of years and you've mentioned that it 285 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:45,300 can be used to find bodies it can also 286 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:47,700 be used to find treasure and water and 287 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:52,320 other items exactly yep and and how did 288 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:54,480 you how did you come across this gift 289 00:13:01,569 --> 00:12:56,519 that you have you're quite a sage in the 290 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:04,569 UFO my whole life has changed 291 00:13:11,449 --> 00:13:07,740 and uh for some reason I don't ask me 292 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:11,459 why I just started doing it and for some 293 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:13,980 reason I just started finding bodies and 294 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:16,200 then it this is all I do now 295 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:19,320 every weekend I go up and this is all I 296 00:13:26,449 --> 00:13:22,740 do is try to solve all these Mysteries 297 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:26,459 and history what history writes and it's 298 00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:29,519 just so fascinating that every trip gets 299 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,700 better and better and better I have some 300 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:35,040 burial grounds where I found where a 301 00:13:39,889 --> 00:13:36,720 tree would seed 302 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:39,899 put a seat on one of the Indian Graves 303 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:42,120 and that tree would only grow six inches 304 00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:45,300 and then it will do a whole 90 degree 305 00:13:50,569 --> 00:13:48,360 and grow sideways and then grow up after 306 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:50,579 it clears the body 307 00:13:54,889 --> 00:13:52,860 and so my grandson says oh that's just a 308 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,899 flute Grandpa and I says Merrick look at 309 00:13:58,490 --> 00:13:56,399 this one over here 310 00:14:02,389 --> 00:13:58,500 and I said there's four bodies buried 311 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,399 and this tree is going all the way until 312 00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:04,560 it clears those four bodies and goes up 313 00:14:07,129 --> 00:14:06,120 and I can send you some pictures of 314 00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:07,139 those 315 00:14:12,650 --> 00:14:10,500 if you would like Ryan that's neat and 316 00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:12,660 you know I'm brought back I'll even send 317 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:14,339 you a picture of the outline of the 318 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:16,079 craft where it landed and you'll see the 319 00:14:20,810 --> 00:14:18,420 triangle and where the bodies are buried 320 00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:20,820 you know the Triangular shape is really 321 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:23,519 interesting Otto because even recently 322 00:14:29,449 --> 00:14:27,360 there's been a lot of footage and locals 323 00:14:33,530 --> 00:14:29,459 there in the uina Basin capturing images 324 00:14:35,629 --> 00:14:33,540 of triangular craft so this is uh yeah 325 00:14:38,329 --> 00:14:35,639 this is very likely 326 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:38,339 yes so they're still around and I 327 00:14:42,650 --> 00:14:40,019 thought maybe it was just a fluke but 328 00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:42,660 you know my One customer kept he told me 329 00:14:47,870 --> 00:14:45,540 they've seen it two years prior when my 330 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,880 sighting happened and the Old Gentleman 331 00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:50,160 30 years prior then 332 00:14:55,550 --> 00:14:52,680 so there is something going on up there 333 00:14:58,009 --> 00:14:55,560 and they were not scared of us but no 334 00:14:59,870 --> 00:14:58,019 means because obviously they deposited 335 00:15:02,769 --> 00:14:59,880 bodies there 336 00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:02,779 and for people that um 337 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:05,399 disregard dowsing I I'd like to mention 338 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:07,800 that people used to bet their lives on 339 00:15:14,569 --> 00:15:10,920 hiring Dowsers before ground penetrating 340 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:14,579 radar and lidar and water Sciences Etc 341 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:17,519 in fact I was just reading an article 342 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:19,380 um the other day about someone that said 343 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,380 he still hires Dowsers and prefers them 344 00:15:26,509 --> 00:15:24,000 he doesn't need to know the science 345 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:26,519 behind it he just hires them because it 346 00:15:30,170 --> 00:15:27,600 works 347 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:30,180 you're you're absolutely right and 348 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:32,339 they're starting to use it to find 349 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:34,440 homicide victims and stuff that are 350 00:15:38,329 --> 00:15:36,660 buried you know in the wild some of some 351 00:15:41,629 --> 00:15:38,339 of the doubters are so good they can 352 00:15:44,269 --> 00:15:41,639 start picking it up a quarter mile away 353 00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:44,279 and I I'm getting that the more you do 354 00:15:49,009 --> 00:15:47,100 it the better you get I start feeling it 355 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:49,019 when I'm coming close to a body I can 356 00:15:54,050 --> 00:15:51,300 feel the electricity in my spine and 357 00:15:56,449 --> 00:15:54,060 it's just a strange feeling Ryan and 358 00:15:58,189 --> 00:15:56,459 it's just awesome 359 00:16:01,009 --> 00:15:58,199 and I know there's a few different 360 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:01,019 methods there's some people use wooden 361 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:03,720 items however I believe uh when we were 362 00:16:07,850 --> 00:16:05,459 talking before you said you used the 363 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:07,860 rods is that correct that's correct and 364 00:16:13,009 --> 00:16:10,019 I I started out just with coat hangers 365 00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:13,019 and now I'm in the scrap business so I 366 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:15,660 use uh I just made me some brass brass 367 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,540 rods and they look cool in that but any 368 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:20,720 in anything with metal work 369 00:16:27,050 --> 00:16:23,760 and to give you an example how I know 370 00:16:28,730 --> 00:16:27,060 the gender is if the rod if you hold one 371 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,740 rod in the hand and if it turns 372 00:16:34,670 --> 00:16:31,440 clockwise it will be a male and 373 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:34,680 counterclockwise is a female 374 00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:37,860 this is so interesting and getting back 375 00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:41,220 to you following um the Oregon Trail the 376 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:44,279 true history of the Oregon Trail is a 377 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:45,779 little bit different than what we may 378 00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,120 expect you've found some telltale signs 379 00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:49,680 that things might have been a little 380 00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:53,759 harsher than we thought oh man oh I I it 381 00:16:58,249 --> 00:16:56,699 is just mind-boggling how many people 382 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:58,259 have passed 383 00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,160 um 384 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:01,440 I it gives me shivers just to think 385 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:05,640 about it and it is uh it's it's just so 386 00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:08,480 sad and and you can tell 387 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:10,679 what these people meant to their 388 00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:12,900 families by what rocks they marked the 389 00:17:18,049 --> 00:17:14,339 graves with 390 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,059 and the Indians did the same uh it it is 391 00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:20,400 just it brings tears to your eyes how 392 00:17:23,569 --> 00:17:21,720 much it meant to them because they don't 393 00:17:26,030 --> 00:17:23,579 have a lot to give and that was the 394 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:26,040 thing that they left for them as their 395 00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:28,140 token and they find the most beautiful 396 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:30,540 Rock they can find to Mark those Graves 397 00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:32,820 and like I told you a little earlier I 398 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:35,660 found a cheese grave a while ago 399 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:39,900 and they call it an effigy where there'd 400 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:41,940 be a rock that could be like a buffalo 401 00:17:48,289 --> 00:17:45,480 shape or a human head or whatever and 402 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,299 they mark it as a gift well as I started 403 00:17:52,909 --> 00:17:50,400 doing the cheap I found two other braids 404 00:17:56,029 --> 00:17:52,919 buried with him and then a young boy 405 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,039 so I re-gifted them as a thanks and I 406 00:18:00,650 --> 00:17:58,799 gave each one of the Indians I found 407 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:00,660 some of the old knives that they made 408 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:02,700 out of rock and gifted them but I gave 409 00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,640 the young boy a dinosaur egg I found 410 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:07,679 and then I happen to douse a little bit 411 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:10,200 past there and I found the three horses 412 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:12,840 that were buried with them 413 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,940 so that the horse was everything to him 414 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:17,280 and they chose to kill the horses to 415 00:18:21,529 --> 00:18:19,320 bury with these people so they were very 416 00:18:24,289 --> 00:18:21,539 very important you know and things like 417 00:18:27,409 --> 00:18:24,299 that just fascinate me my mind goes and 418 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:27,419 you wonder what happened you know and 419 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:29,160 there were the history is wild there 420 00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,320 were a lot of skirmishes back then and 421 00:18:36,169 --> 00:18:33,600 according to a little bit of the history 422 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:36,179 I've been able to dig up the Oregon 423 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:38,580 Trail is known as the nation's longest 424 00:18:45,950 --> 00:18:43,860 graveyard and oh it is it is and even 425 00:18:48,409 --> 00:18:45,960 little branches of it where they decided 426 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:48,419 we don't want to go to California we 427 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:50,520 want to go back to the Oregon Trail well 428 00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:53,400 I found one of those and I started it's 429 00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:55,320 one of these that's a sleeper Trail is 430 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:58,799 what I started dousing on there and holy 431 00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:01,260 smokes what I found there is just 432 00:19:05,690 --> 00:19:03,780 mind-boggling I found an old shoe from 433 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:05,700 there that's all wrinkled up the leather 434 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:08,340 and everything it was a girl shoe and 435 00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:09,840 you could tell the hardship she went 436 00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:11,880 through how the holes were worn through 437 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:15,419 it and just I'm thinking wow the 438 00:19:19,310 --> 00:19:17,460 suffering she went through and I swear 439 00:19:21,289 --> 00:19:19,320 right I think I found it where they they 440 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:21,299 buried her it must have fell off it was 441 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:22,980 just laying underneath a bunch of brush 442 00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:25,799 all you know from the weather over what 443 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:28,919 almost 200 years or 100 years ago it was 444 00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:31,860 just uh it's so sad you just think what 445 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:33,720 she went through the suffering to end up 446 00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,640 being buried right there nowhere you 447 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,679 know that's true and it was hard just 448 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,080 and that's if everything went right it 449 00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:41,760 was still hard I mean they're saying 450 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:43,980 only one in ten people who set off on 451 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:47,820 the trail made it yeah and it is the 452 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:49,860 dirty water that got most of them you 453 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:51,960 know yeah and they say they could wake 454 00:19:56,690 --> 00:19:54,360 up healthy in the morning and be dead in 455 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:56,700 that afternoon and I did read some 456 00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:59,520 Diaries of some young girls and one of 457 00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:01,500 the places they said is we found a 458 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:02,700 spring 459 00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,980 and the coldest water is running out the 460 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,200 wagon Master said we could stay there an 461 00:20:12,590 --> 00:20:09,660 extra day so they were all celebrating 462 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:12,600 doing their laundry and cleaning up and 463 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:14,340 everything and they all decided to start 464 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:16,500 riding in the cliffs I found that place 465 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,820 where I am 466 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:20,100 and it's not a tourist place it's out 467 00:20:23,870 --> 00:20:21,360 nowhere 468 00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:23,880 and she said the sagebrush is 10 feet 469 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,039 tall and I went there and the sagebrush 470 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:27,840 is still 10 feet tall 471 00:20:32,029 --> 00:20:30,360 the water's still running and the 472 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:32,039 signatures are starting to disappear 473 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:33,900 because of the erosion but they're still 474 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,340 signatures there 475 00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:37,440 and I just thought I'm walking what this 476 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:40,620 girl wrote about you know yeah it is 477 00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:44,160 just so cool and I I I can't believe 478 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:46,740 that the numbers I'm looking at I mean 479 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:49,559 it sounds like close to a half a million 480 00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:52,799 people traveled along that trail 481 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:54,179 yes 482 00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:58,320 upwards of 65 000 died along that trail 483 00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:01,679 so I can see how it is you you're coming 484 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:03,419 across so much and it sounds like the 485 00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:05,160 true history might be even double of 486 00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:06,020 that 487 00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:14,160 me away is is is it's just 488 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:16,740 so so much 489 00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:18,840 so much sorrow that they went through 490 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:22,500 and uh it's just fascinating it's just 491 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,380 I'm finding uh I'm still finding Ryan 492 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,320 Graves with this wagon spokes as markers 493 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,440 for the graves or a wagon tongue where 494 00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,360 they have like six or seven people 495 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:35,760 buried that whole length of the wagon 496 00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:38,760 tongue you know it it's just it's just 497 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,780 amazing 498 00:21:44,810 --> 00:21:42,240 and have you had a chance I know that 499 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,820 Immigration Canyon would be part of this 500 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:46,799 Trail I believe is that correct have you 501 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:49,740 gone up there at all I have not nope uh 502 00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:52,320 all of my experiences are on the trail 503 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:55,559 that go from Fort Bridger and then 504 00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:57,960 they'll head over to the Idaho area 505 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,600 where they uh at Fort Bridger you have 506 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:02,640 the choice of either going to Salt Lake 507 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:04,860 or if you wanted to you could hurry up 508 00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:07,500 and go back and hit the Orca trip so I'm 509 00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:09,480 doing the branches from Fort Bridger 510 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,360 that go toward the Oregon Trail 511 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:15,120 it's up there by LaBarge is where the 512 00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:19,260 main trail crosses okay so and yeah yeah 513 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:22,020 that's a pretty rough air well you know 514 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,020 even still it's a pretty rough area 515 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:28,080 yes it is yes it is 516 00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:31,320 yeah when when you go up when you go up 517 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,720 there do you usually Camp take an RV or 518 00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,240 how do you nope I'd just do it for a day 519 00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,460 trip it takes me two hours from Ogden to 520 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,260 get there okay leave early in the 521 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,480 morning and I'll spend all day till the 522 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:44,159 sun goes down 523 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,440 and then head back 524 00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,679 and looking at the markers you know just 525 00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,539 through the history books like you said 526 00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,340 people would use whatever they could 527 00:22:57,470 --> 00:22:55,919 gather some and a lot of times it looks 528 00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:57,480 like most of the graves weren't uh 529 00:23:01,210 --> 00:22:59,100 marked at all 530 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:01,220 nope just with a rock 531 00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:03,720 unbelievable just like the Indians did 532 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,120 just with a Little Rock 533 00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,460 and sometimes I'll find a big rock that 534 00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:10,559 they'll stick up you know that uh 535 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,799 they've really went the extra mile you 536 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:15,960 know to Marco's a special grave to do 537 00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,740 that 538 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,600 but now I'm starting to find these 539 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,280 shrines that the Indians used and 540 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:22,980 they're bringing huge rocks in 541 00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:24,900 and then I'll find a mass grave of 542 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,539 horses on one side and a bunch of graves 543 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:29,940 on the other of the Braves and I cannot 544 00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:31,860 figure out if they have a skirmish 545 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,380 amongst themselves because you got to 546 00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:36,480 figure these people were walking upright 547 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:40,740 these Indians when King Tut was alive 548 00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:42,900 that's how far back this is all going 549 00:23:48,909 --> 00:23:46,559 and Columbus hasn't even landed yet so 550 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:48,919 I'm walking where these guys have walked 551 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,080 lived and died and I I find it just so 552 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,240 fascinating that I I've got 553 00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:57,120 the privilege of experiencing this in my 554 00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,140 lifetime 555 00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:00,480 absolutely this is just fascinating 556 00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:02,820 being not only being in these incredibly 557 00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:05,460 remote areas but what you're finding and 558 00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:07,559 obviously this UFO connection is 559 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:12,299 mind-blowing when you did see the UFO 560 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:14,700 have you have you seen anything online 561 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,340 or you know in videos Etc that would 562 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,320 look similar to it or was it just out of 563 00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:23,750 um I haven't ever seen anything like 564 00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,460 this one it didn't make any noises you 565 00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,280 know it was just as quiet as can be 566 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:31,679 and I've never seen a triangle fly 567 00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,340 upright so I view it as a triangle it 568 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:37,500 could have been a pyramid shape I do not 569 00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:40,380 know but from where we were sitting it 570 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,659 appeared as a triangle 571 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,580 you know it could have been a pyramid 572 00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:47,159 you know with another 573 00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,179 um 574 00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:50,280 I don't know another angle on the back 575 00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,380 side I don't know but it was kind of 576 00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,299 getting dark and it was it looked like a 577 00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:56,220 triangle we were sitting but it was 578 00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:58,500 upright not laying 579 00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:00,539 and I measured it I walked off the 580 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,419 footprint where it landed and it's 30 581 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,200 feet by 30 feet by 28 feet so that's the 582 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:10,080 size that I pretty much could get 583 00:25:15,289 --> 00:25:12,260 out of the size of the craft 584 00:25:16,270 --> 00:25:15,299 unbelievable and like you said this 585 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:16,280 this 586 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,020 triangular shape has been seen time and 587 00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:21,059 time again in the Uinta Basin I know 588 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:22,500 that 589 00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,840 um Joseph Jr Hicks and Frank Salisbury 590 00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:27,440 wrote a book called the Utah UFO display 591 00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,620 and they wrote down a lot of cases where 592 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,799 there seemed to be triangular craft up 593 00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:37,320 to something in the Uintah Basin what do 594 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,940 you think it was up to if you had to 595 00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:39,840 guess 596 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:44,100 I have no idea how I can think of is how 597 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,260 did these people die on that craft when 598 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:48,000 they put them in the ground there what 599 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:49,740 happened you know were they in a battle 600 00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:53,100 did they have a disease what went on 601 00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:55,140 I'm probably one of the few people that 602 00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:56,820 know where there's a burial ground form 603 00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,220 if you want to know the truth I've never 604 00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,000 heard anybody else find anything 605 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:04,380 and uh 606 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,659 yeah it's it's just fascinating and 607 00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,000 after this experience my whole life has 608 00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,279 changed to what I'm doing now 609 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,380 I never dreamed I'd be doing this on my 610 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,360 time off every weekend 611 00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,480 what a great way to bond with your 612 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,520 family members and what you're doing and 613 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:22,559 not only that what a great gift to have 614 00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,320 and following the Oregon Trail I mean 615 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,620 this is pretty amazing I I can't even 616 00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,960 imagine doing something like this with a 617 00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,480 family member of mine and as I read into 618 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,760 the history of the trail it was so rough 619 00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,440 you know they said that shootings were 620 00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:39,840 common but it was so rough that it was 621 00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,539 usually people shooting themselves it 622 00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:44,159 was that hard 623 00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:47,700 yes yes and and you think about it they 624 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,520 they gambled everything they have in 625 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:52,799 life to start a new life 626 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,140 and like to say a lot of them didn't 627 00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:58,080 even make it you know so and I'm walking 628 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,640 what their eyes have seen because 629 00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:01,620 nothing's changed out there be it the 630 00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:04,500 Indian tribes or the white people when I 631 00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,380 walk I see what they seem and it's just 632 00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,640 fascinating 633 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,039 and I take that all in in account you 634 00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,980 know to what I'm doing and I take a few 635 00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,659 people with me and they are just 636 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,940 fascinated there's an individual 637 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,640 that wants me to show him a little bit 638 00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:22,799 of my dowsing he's going to be making a 639 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:25,980 movie about the Oregon Trail 640 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,159 so we'll see how that goes that is Sony 641 00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,740 and there was a cholera outbreak along 642 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,480 the orange I mean as if it wasn't hard 643 00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:35,340 enough it sounds like that killed uh 644 00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,320 just a bunch of them 645 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:39,779 yes yeah that that was the main killer 646 00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:40,820 right there 647 00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:45,120 and uh yeah it's it's just so sad and 648 00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,640 when you find these Graves I would love 649 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,799 to take some groups with me and just 650 00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,440 have them enjoy it because it is just 651 00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:54,539 something I'd want to share you know 652 00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:56,900 somebody that wouldn't be face it or 653 00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,360 they you have to kind of have a alt on 654 00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,580 this you know and leave the rocks that 655 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,840 they Mark with because they're pretty 656 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,299 rocks I always say a little prayer or if 657 00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,640 I find a grave and it doesn't have a 658 00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,039 rock I will find a rock that isn't on a 659 00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,140 grave and read Mark that grave and tell 660 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,720 them thanks and you know and it it's 661 00:28:20,649 --> 00:28:17,880 it's it's just fascinating and and 662 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:20,659 humble too it humbles me greatly 663 00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,720 unbelievable and I aside from the 664 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,120 sickness there were a few you know there 665 00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:29,340 was the cholera epidem epidemic but 666 00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:30,779 there were a few 667 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,480 I guess massacres or murders along the 668 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,000 way have you found any areas that had 669 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,340 more bodies than others 670 00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:41,400 uh it depends it depends uh how big the 671 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,779 Wagon Train was uh I do I do find some 672 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,360 um that were uh 673 00:28:52,909 --> 00:28:50,640 um have a quite a few more and I also 674 00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,919 found some where they used lye 675 00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:54,779 and they but you can tell that's 676 00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:56,940 saturating out from the grave it's all 677 00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:58,860 white around the grave that they were 678 00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:01,380 scared the animals would dig up I 679 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,740 stumble on those and I also noticed any 680 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,840 Graves that have been kind of dug by 681 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:09,600 animals every one of them are female not 682 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:11,220 male 683 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:14,880 and I kind of wonder why you know 684 00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:17,640 that is kind of fascinating to me too is 685 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,559 why would an animal only dig on a female 686 00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:22,320 do they admit something other than what 687 00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,380 a male would you know that's right so 688 00:29:31,330 --> 00:29:28,320 yeah and you know along the alien 689 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:31,340 theories of what may have been happening 690 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:35,640 there seems to be a bit of a following 691 00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,559 about aliens on the Oregon Trail and it 692 00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,899 makes you wonder why this paranormal 693 00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:45,059 aspect would follow a trail that was 694 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,980 used so long ago 695 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,980 right and I actually found where the 696 00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:51,720 Indians and I'll send you a picture of 697 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:53,399 this so you know 698 00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:55,320 I'm telling you the truth that they made 699 00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:57,659 a head that looks like an alien head I 700 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:00,659 found and I found and I call it their 701 00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:03,899 prayer area I found seats out of rocks 702 00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,020 everywhere where this head is and it 703 00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,899 looks just like an alien head 704 00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:12,179 and I'm going how would they carve this 705 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:14,760 thing out like this you know if without 706 00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:16,520 seeing him 707 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,799 and it just it's just the more I do this 708 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,360 the the 709 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,940 the cooler things I find 710 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,399 so yeah I'll send you some of these 711 00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,260 pictures though Ryan and and you'll see 712 00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:30,179 what I mean and I'll send you the 713 00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,860 picture of the outline where the UFO 714 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:34,260 landed so you'll have that that is so 715 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,220 amazing um somewhat nearby that area I 716 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:40,320 this was it's many years ago let's see 717 00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:43,500 this would have been about 1990 718 00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,720 late 90s so 719 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,000 um I did see I was up in the mountains 720 00:30:53,649 --> 00:30:51,840 there and I saw some lights that I 721 00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:53,659 assumed were a car 722 00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,299 and long story short they drifted up 723 00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:59,279 into the sky so they obviously weren't a 724 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,840 car and I was wondering you know doesn't 725 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,640 seem like there's a road over there or 726 00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:04,200 that four-wheelers would be over there 727 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,159 so 728 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,200 in the world of the Paranormal it seems 729 00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:09,720 like the you win a basin and not to 730 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,940 mention the high unas have a long 731 00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:14,640 history of high strangeness have you 732 00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,140 come across anything else that's 733 00:31:19,870 --> 00:31:18,240 difficult to explain while on your 734 00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:19,880 travels 735 00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:23,700 no just uh this is the first time I I 736 00:31:30,169 --> 00:31:26,600 can clearly say I've ever seen a craft 737 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,179 and I was a Believer before you know but 738 00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:33,360 uh this this solidified my my thoughts 739 00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:36,659 it it just totally blew me away but Ryan 740 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,779 while we're on that subject is I think 741 00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:42,120 this craft has been coming there because 742 00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,700 the Indians have seen it and that's 743 00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,039 thousands of years ago or a thou over a 744 00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,559 thousand years years ago because they 745 00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:52,020 didn't bury in that landing area 746 00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:54,919 that was a sacred area 747 00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:57,740 unbelievable yeah 748 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,299 this has been going on for quite some 749 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,760 time and I would there's some Cliffs I 750 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,200 want to explore to see if there's any 751 00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,960 drawings that I can see I talked to one 752 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:08,580 Hunter and he kind of gave me some 753 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,620 Cliffs to go back into that he thought 754 00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:13,200 he'd seen some so that'll be my next 755 00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:16,020 spring outing is heading to those 756 00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,100 to see what I can read or 757 00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,620 decipher but I'd sure share with you and 758 00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:24,779 whoever's interested yeah I would love 759 00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,320 to hear more and you mentioned that 760 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,179 about uh 761 00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,880 the male Chiefs that they would bury 762 00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,100 their horses with them that's pretty 763 00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,220 amazing yes and I just stumbled onto 764 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:40,559 another one in the West Desert 765 00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,500 and same thing and they only kill the 766 00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,880 male horses 767 00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:47,159 to bury with the males that's what I 768 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:48,779 found interesting too 769 00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:51,059 there is an Amer buried with them 770 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,059 they're all male horses 771 00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:57,480 so they keep that mail Trend in the mail 772 00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:00,899 area that's what I find fascinating 773 00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,779 they do not deviate from that they don't 774 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:05,820 bury on top of each other you know what 775 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,140 I mean 776 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,539 and how do they know 777 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,520 with all these thousands of graves I 778 00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:13,140 find out there how do they know not 779 00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:15,899 there's a grave there or which way he's 780 00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:19,279 lying so I don't bury on top of him 781 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:23,039 and it just makes the Mind wonder it 782 00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,260 does and I want to point out that it's 783 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,880 not just bodies when people try to 784 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,700 locate water other minerals I just heard 785 00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:32,399 a story from a friend of a man who owns 786 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,059 some land and he had some Dowsers come 787 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,340 out to be used to locate crude oil and 788 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,159 natural gas deposits and he had recently 789 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:43,860 surveyed the property and sure enough 790 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,860 the area they told him it was in and the 791 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,080 information he had was consistent with 792 00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:51,120 all the geophysical surveys of the area 793 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,299 he drilled and there was oil so there's 794 00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:56,220 a lot of cases of this working I mean 795 00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,019 it's not something this is an ancient 796 00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,600 practice that seems to still have real 797 00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,100 world value 798 00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,919 yes and you know what's cool about it is 799 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,679 everybody can try it and you'll know if 800 00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,720 you have the gift you'll see those rods 801 00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,760 go and I try it with some of my 802 00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,320 customers that come into work we start 803 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:15,359 doing the small talk and they are 804 00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,220 fascinated they can't believe the power 805 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,740 when those rods move they go I wouldn't 806 00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,200 ever believe this you know 807 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,659 and I go it's amazing it's just amazing 808 00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:26,700 it only gets better the more you do it 809 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,060 the stronger you get it's just that Ryan 810 00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,940 it's just such a cool guest and you know 811 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,040 there are Skeptics of course of dowsing 812 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,320 but in Utah it seems like acceptance of 813 00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:39,899 the practice is more widespread and it's 814 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:42,119 said that Joseph Smith the founder of 815 00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,440 the Church of Jesus Christ the 816 00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,560 Latter-Day Saints practice the craft and 817 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:49,679 the president of the American Society of 818 00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:53,820 Dowsers uh said that he was pretty darn 819 00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,580 good at it apparently so 820 00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,560 um Wow have you may not know that yeah 821 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,680 have you it seems like there's those who 822 00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:03,900 believe it's definitely worthwhile and 823 00:35:07,970 --> 00:35:05,940 those that don't but have you come 824 00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:07,980 across any other Dowsers in your neck of 825 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,500 the woods 826 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:12,240 I actually haven't I've introduced 827 00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:14,900 everybody into the dancing world 828 00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,599 and uh some of my colleagues have it and 829 00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,579 some don't but the ones that don't they 830 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:23,160 they they see what goes on and what we 831 00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,480 turn up 832 00:35:31,089 --> 00:35:27,480 and it it they are just as fascinated as 833 00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,099 as I am when we do find them you know 834 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,140 and uh like I say now every weekend 835 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:36,060 we're out and about doesn't matter if 836 00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:38,700 it's cold or hot we're out there 837 00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,339 and it's just it's just an awesome haul 838 00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:44,339 that is so many riddle I guess 839 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:46,740 and you know I've I've even seen people 840 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,700 online who still Dows as you like for a 841 00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,680 living there's actually businesses that 842 00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:55,680 you can call and you can you can hire 843 00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:58,140 Dowsers to come out and do water dowsing 844 00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,220 Services uh locating Municipal 845 00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,560 agricultural water wells Etc so I mean 846 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,960 there seems to be enough of a enough of 847 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:08,880 a reality to it that people are making a 848 00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:10,440 business out of it in some cases so 849 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,619 that's pretty neat yeah yeah and and for 850 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,540 what I'm doing it's just fascinating 851 00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:17,880 it's just opening up the world of what 852 00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:19,700 it's really 853 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,859 you talk about the UFO that's future I'm 854 00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:25,260 also going in the past you know what 855 00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,240 they with the Oregon Trail or the 856 00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:29,880 Indians so I'm trying to see what how 857 00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,000 everything is correlated into this uh 858 00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:36,480 craft that landed there and like I say 859 00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:38,280 there's got to be a reason why they 860 00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:40,020 didn't put any bodies 861 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,060 in that particular Meadow when all the 862 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,700 other metals have it around it 863 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:46,980 so this is this is where I'm at now 864 00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,260 scratching my head but I'll I'll come up 865 00:36:54,109 --> 00:36:51,300 with some you know kind of theories of 866 00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,119 mine yeah and find more evidence and 867 00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,820 it's just fascinating now let me ask you 868 00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,800 about your dowsing rods you said first 869 00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,320 you used just coat hangers and now 870 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,119 you're using brass is that correct now 871 00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,040 is that a copper dowsing Rod or is it 872 00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:08,220 solid brass just solid brass just solid 873 00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,300 brass 874 00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,160 yeah and you can actually buy them 875 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:13,260 online now they have all these fancy 876 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,200 bouncing rods uh you can get 877 00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,440 online so it's getting more more popular 878 00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,320 Ryan it sounds like it and I know that 879 00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:24,300 Ghost Hunters are now using it I've seen 880 00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:25,859 that 881 00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,040 um going on and as well as the pendulums 882 00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,079 I've never never seen that before but 883 00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,000 that seems to hurt yep I've heard of 884 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,700 that too but I don't use that I just use 885 00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:37,740 the dowsing rods and 886 00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,339 and it it's just amazing how I I from 887 00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:43,500 when I first started till now I have 888 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,500 just in power wise I have just gotten 889 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,780 better and better and better at it 890 00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,640 well I mean it makes sense I mean 891 00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:52,740 everything on this Earth emits energy 892 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,079 and dowsing rods have been used for 893 00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,119 Millennia by people trying to tap into 894 00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:59,760 the energy emitted by the Earth and 895 00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:02,700 certain objects yes 896 00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:05,820 um as you do it when you walk can you 897 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,099 explain a little bit is there is there a 898 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:11,520 trick to it how do you okay you just 899 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:13,740 hold them straight out and as you 900 00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:16,260 approach any anything it'll be the water 901 00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,320 line or a body they'll start to move and 902 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,540 close so how I know the length of the 903 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,940 body is when it first closes and I Mark 904 00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,700 a line with my foot and then I'll walk 905 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:29,099 over that body until it opens and it 906 00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,700 tells me if it's a child or an adult 907 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,920 and then I'll stand on that grave and 908 00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,720 I'll use the one rod and that's how I 909 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,339 get the gender 910 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,500 On the Turning 911 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:42,660 of that rod 912 00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,200 and uh the dinosaur one now since I've 913 00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:49,260 been stumbling onto the bones and stuff 914 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,020 like that it just blew me away that I 915 00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,300 could pick them up and and identify the 916 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,520 gender naturally I I can't prove the 917 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,560 dinosaur you know but 918 00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:01,200 it it reads them it reads them just like 919 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,420 a body 920 00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:05,760 amazing and I just heard a case in North 921 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,099 Carolina where someone found a Megalodon 922 00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:10,859 tooth you know one of those giant sharks 923 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:13,560 and they found it with dowsing so I mean 924 00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,020 this this does seem to lend itself to 925 00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:18,599 the whole theory that it it treats it 926 00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,099 the same as a body 927 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:22,200 yep I'm finding teeth and they pick up 928 00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:24,839 at the dowsing rods pick up the teeth 929 00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:27,960 they pick up the eggs I actually found a 930 00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:29,940 real big skull that has to weigh five 931 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:31,880 six hundred pounds 932 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,760 and uh it IT guy I I could see it was a 933 00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,619 skull but I doused it anyway and it's a 934 00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,320 female skull so it obviously was laying 935 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,020 eggs up higher because the Bone Trail of 936 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,720 this animal was up higher from the head 937 00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,180 and the eggs are all up on the top you 938 00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,000 know so it's pretty interesting that is 939 00:39:57,069 --> 00:39:54,599 super interesting and so I'm dying to 940 00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:57,079 know and I have to beg the question 941 00:40:03,410 --> 00:39:59,880 these interesting bodies which it sounds 942 00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:03,420 like have no gender may possibly be 943 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:08,880 alien what are the plans if any on what 944 00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:10,380 to do with these 945 00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,280 I know I know I'm up in the air I wanted 946 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:17,520 to have somebody video and me opening 947 00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:20,579 but I didn't want to be that guy yeah 948 00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:23,820 and I didn't want to ruin my good karma 949 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,619 that they left me with that I'd been 950 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,880 gifted of what my travels have led me to 951 00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,140 I didn't want to violate their 952 00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:33,839 sacrilegious whatever their burial 953 00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:35,339 rights are 954 00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:38,820 but I definitely know they're in there 955 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,700 and and it's just my grandson goes what 956 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:43,320 if it's just water you know and I go 957 00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,200 they're exactly the same length Merrick 958 00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,540 I said they are exactly the same length 959 00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:51,680 it doesn't you know deviate 960 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,599 and uh I just I I know they're in there 961 00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:57,180 that is so interesting because from an 962 00:41:02,510 --> 00:40:59,099 archaeological like an archaeological 963 00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,520 perspective I don't know if that's is it 964 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,920 is it is it something you I don't even 965 00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,480 know the laws around it isn't something 966 00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:08,700 you can dig up I agree with the karma 967 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,700 like you said but it usually I don't 968 00:41:18,849 --> 00:41:14,160 know I mean these are mysterious things 969 00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,859 that yeah and you know it uh in reality 970 00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:21,060 nobody'd even know I did it and I could 971 00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,420 see it for myself but is it the right 972 00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,000 thing to do you know and that but I'm I 973 00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:29,400 I I tell you right I'm the only one that 974 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:31,980 knows where they're buried you know and 975 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,420 their graveyard 976 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,000 and uh I I don't think you've heard 977 00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:38,820 anybody fessing up to saying hey you 978 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,680 know I know where there's some 979 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,440 and uh people are scared to say anything 980 00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,500 you know they view you like your you 981 00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,440 know you're just not all there but I I 982 00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:51,660 seen it my grandson seen it land and 983 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,920 then up there a year or two later and uh 984 00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,900 we've seen that triangle the grass still 985 00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,040 hasn't fully grown back into there 986 00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:03,780 and the next trip I'm going to take a 987 00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:06,839 handheld radiation monitor with me to 988 00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,700 see if there is any radiation in that 989 00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,140 area 990 00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:12,420 that's been left especially the burial 991 00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:13,740 sites 992 00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,380 you know yeah and let me ask you this 993 00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:18,900 since you have been kind of going along 994 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:20,940 these amazing 995 00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:24,599 same Pathways as the pioneers and I'm 996 00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:26,099 guessing that they had certain 997 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,700 accessories maybe rope or wagon jacks or 998 00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,980 axles or tongues have you come across 999 00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,320 anything interesting like axes or saws 1000 00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,780 or anything at all 1001 00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:38,520 um I actually 1002 00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:40,760 um the most things I find would be 1003 00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,300 bottles or just old cans wires the shoe 1004 00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,280 the girl's shoe was one of the coolest 1005 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:49,260 things I found and I actually still have 1006 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,000 that 1007 00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:53,520 um it's hard to tell how because the 1008 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,859 leather's all just been over the 1009 00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,599 weathered you know and stuff like that 1010 00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,119 and I just look at that periodically and 1011 00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:01,680 just you know say a little prayer and 1012 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,480 look at the hardships you went through 1013 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:05,760 the whole heels walked through so the 1014 00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:07,380 back of her foot was actually on the 1015 00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,339 ground 1016 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:10,680 you know and she's laced them so many 1017 00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,980 times all the i i the little holes went 1018 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,319 through or just all wore out so 1019 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,720 it is just uh 1020 00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:20,760 one of the coolest finds I had on the 1021 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,119 trail but I did have an Old Gentleman A 1022 00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:27,359 Very Old Gentleman that uh had 1023 00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,420 some original Wagon Wheels he found 1024 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:33,119 on the trail that were down lower in a 1025 00:43:38,530 --> 00:43:35,940 Ravine and he gifted them to me so I did 1026 00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:38,540 get a blessing of some Wheels 1027 00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,700 and I look at them periodically at the 1028 00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:43,260 hardships you know and the stories they 1029 00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:46,020 could tell yeah 1030 00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920 that's amazing and if for those that are 1031 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,839 not familiar with the Oregon Trail and 1032 00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,000 where it went through in Utah can you 1033 00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,640 kind of explain not not an exact map but 1034 00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:58,680 just more or less how how it went along 1035 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:02,880 the uh the uintas and and uh came out 1036 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,180 near Salt Lake correct right it actually 1037 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:08,640 follows the interstate 1038 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,180 um if I see Springs along I-80 I'll stop 1039 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,680 and go over there and I'll douse around 1040 00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,240 the springs and all the Springs have 1041 00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,099 bodies in around them 1042 00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,680 just off the freeway you people just 1043 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,319 drive right past it you know 1044 00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:25,020 I also found a sundial in my travels in 1045 00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,579 the cliffs where the Indians went and 1046 00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,460 prayed and not too long ago I found a 1047 00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:32,040 big eagle that's natural with the wings 1048 00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,359 folded back and uh it is just one of the 1049 00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,579 coolest things I've found and it's right 1050 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:40,200 next to the interstate that millions of 1051 00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,700 people drive by and they don't get to 1052 00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:43,859 stop and enjoy 1053 00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:46,619 so pretty amazing 1054 00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,339 yes it is yes it is and and um I'm 1055 00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,599 guessing when you say the interstate 1056 00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,880 you're talking uh Interstate 40 and then 1057 00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,280 we're Canadian going to Colorado 80. 1058 00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:58,740 okay 80. 1059 00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,700 amazing and and along the ways have you 1060 00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,920 seen any of the I guess there's still 1061 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:06,960 there have to be still some a little bit 1062 00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,839 of uh a trail left from all those oh 1063 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,460 yeah it's all over there's Trails 1064 00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,440 everywhere that they they they didn't 1065 00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:15,119 stick to one Trail because there were so 1066 00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:17,160 many people Ryan that there wasn't 1067 00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,319 enough feed for the animals so they had 1068 00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,440 to deviate off the main trail and the 1069 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:24,240 dust you know so they've made the 1070 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,619 another Trail 1071 00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:27,900 a few miles over to the left or a few 1072 00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:30,119 miles over to the right and and just 1073 00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,859 follow the same line 1074 00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:33,900 and uh 1075 00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,839 it's just it and when I follow them it 1076 00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,000 just you you're you're with them you 1077 00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:41,520 know what I mean you're walking and it's 1078 00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:43,500 just amazing you can see where they Camp 1079 00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:46,200 usually there's a big round circle and 1080 00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:48,180 the sagebrush still hasn't grown back to 1081 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,980 this day 1082 00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,720 and you know they circled there and 1083 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:53,940 spent the night 1084 00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,000 so unbelievable and a lot of people hear 1085 00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,579 about the obviously the Donner party but 1086 00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:01,380 it sounds like there were a lot of other 1087 00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,740 parties that had a real hard time 1088 00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,800 oh yes yes with what I'm finding there 1089 00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,200 now now the one where I told you about 1090 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,359 the 10 foot Sagebrush I'm watching this 1091 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,400 one really close because the big wash is 1092 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,200 starting to wash out some of the Grays 1093 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,420 and naturally when that time comes I'll 1094 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,400 have to be buried because you know you 1095 00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:22,260 want to do the right thing and get them 1096 00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:23,520 back in 1097 00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:26,339 and get them a new Grave and get them 1098 00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,460 buried again but uh time's changing you 1099 00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,760 know so things change and 1100 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,400 just got to do what you have to do it 1101 00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,200 sounds like it what a fascinating 1102 00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:39,839 Pastime what an amazing place that you 1103 00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:44,280 have to go along and my last question is 1104 00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:46,380 have you been up near the Fort Bridger 1105 00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:48,300 area I think you'd mentioned you get 1106 00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,440 pretty close yes I actually follow I've 1107 00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:54,420 gotten a little smart with my old age so 1108 00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:55,859 I'm following him from their winter 1109 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,980 grounds to the summer hunting grounds so 1110 00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,720 they go up higher they follow the game 1111 00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,400 you know that was their number one thing 1112 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,520 is food and then shelter so I'm 1113 00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,200 following them and now I'm following 1114 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,720 them right past Fort Bridger and up 1115 00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,060 up into the u.nos there 1116 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:14,880 which is about the area where I I see in 1117 00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:16,680 the UFO 1118 00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,619 so that is very interesting Otto because 1119 00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,839 that's real close to where I had my 1120 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,000 experience back in the late 90s I mean 1121 00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:25,920 we'll have we'll have to we'll have to 1122 00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:28,560 touch base on exactly where that is 1123 00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,500 absolutely amazing what time of back to 1124 00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:33,599 this sighting what time of day or night 1125 00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:34,859 was it 1126 00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:40,440 so there was still daylight but you can 1127 00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,060 tell the sun's going to be sitting 1128 00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,420 pretty soon and that's what gave uh when 1129 00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:47,040 it dropped out of that rain cloud on 1130 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,740 that high key we could see that flashing 1131 00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:52,200 light on it well my grandson could and 1132 00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:54,599 then he you know he let he let me know 1133 00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:56,280 where it was at and we were watching it 1134 00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:59,099 it was just so cool to watch a material 1135 00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:01,380 come get bigger as it was coming toward 1136 00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,579 us 1137 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,760 and uh it's something that I hope I can 1138 00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:08,520 experience again and if you had to guess 1139 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:11,160 how big would you guess the size of it 1140 00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:12,180 was 1141 00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,359 foot by 30 foot by 28 foot is what I 1142 00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,359 walked off that was the imprint I got on 1143 00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:23,640 the ground when I walked off that's 1144 00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:25,859 right that's right so I mean decent 1145 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:29,099 sized decent size yes it was 1146 00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,460 yes it was and there's been a lot of uh 1147 00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:35,099 at least you don't hear as much anymore 1148 00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,339 but there used to be talk that on that 1149 00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:41,520 uh east side of the Uinta mountain range 1150 00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:43,260 and the uintas are a strange mountain 1151 00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,000 range because they go east to west 1152 00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:47,700 instead of north to south correct 1153 00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,180 they're a little interesting anyways but 1154 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,859 there are a lot of rumors that on that 1155 00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,960 East Side there have been a lot of 1156 00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,839 interesting craft possibly military for 1157 00:49:02,930 --> 00:48:59,579 some time people thought there might be 1158 00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:02,940 a base of some sort located in the Uinta 1159 00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:04,380 Mountains up there have you seen any 1160 00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:06,359 other craft that might be military in 1161 00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:07,500 the area 1162 00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,140 yeah I have not seen anything like that 1163 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:12,660 and and what makes me think this craft 1164 00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,300 wasn't a government craft is because of 1165 00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,640 those bodies the dousing gave them up 1166 00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,560 [Music] 1167 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,020 I know that for a fact that there's four 1168 00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,440 bodies there that is so phenomenal well 1169 00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:27,720 I can't I can't thank you enough for 1170 00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:29,640 telling your story it's a mind blower 1171 00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:31,380 and I like how 1172 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,440 dowsing primarily has helped you figure 1173 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:36,900 out a lot of this out to find the bodies 1174 00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,420 and it sounds like only about 40 percent 1175 00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,579 of the people that do dowsing can do 1176 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,280 this so you definitely have a gift 1177 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,160 I do I do and then when if if the people 1178 00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:49,980 that listen to you and they try it and 1179 00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,960 they have it they'll see what I mean it 1180 00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:54,240 is just they can go to a graveyard and 1181 00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:56,099 test themselves you know to see if they 1182 00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,700 have the gift of the gender and it just 1183 00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:01,740 opens up a whole another world 1184 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,420 and that's something I never thought of 1185 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:06,420 was going to a graveyard to see how it 1186 00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:09,720 works yes yep there's the tattletail 1187 00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:12,180 right there unbelievable so if somebody 1188 00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,339 is going to try to do this for 1189 00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:16,079 themselves would you recommend they 1190 00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,140 start off with just the coat hangers or 1191 00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:21,599 would you say yeah just do that start 1192 00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,060 off as simple hanger will work just fine 1193 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,180 and just make an L shape and try to make 1194 00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,119 them both about the same size 1195 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:31,920 and go out and see if you have it and 1196 00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,680 and some some of the some of my 1197 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,599 grandkids have it and some don't so it 1198 00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:38,400 doesn't mean that if one doesn't the 1199 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:42,119 other one does you know it just varies 1200 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,180 so and and has your grand uh child 1201 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,460 grandson picked this up as well does he 1202 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,960 have the gift I have the gift 1203 00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:51,359 interesting 1204 00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:54,660 he does not have the gift I I have it he 1205 00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:58,619 does not that is just so cool I mean I I 1206 00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:01,260 remember going fishing with my grandpa 1207 00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:03,300 and that was a magical experience I can 1208 00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:06,599 only imagine how amazing it is for him 1209 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:09,540 to partake in this amazing hobby with 1210 00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,180 you it's such a great I know I know and 1211 00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,920 his mind's going now and he goes you 1212 00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,839 know what grandpa I never dreamed we'd 1213 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:17,940 find all these Graves on the trails we 1214 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,040 hiked all these years like I didn't know 1215 00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,500 they were here either and the metal 1216 00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,480 where we camped were surrounded by all 1217 00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,579 of the burials around us you know 1218 00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,200 because we camp right where the water 1219 00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,300 comes out of the mountain 1220 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,359 and we get to sit there and we just 1221 00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,760 dream and and and think of what the 1222 00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,400 these people went through and what 1223 00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:40,260 they've seen and here we are seeing a 1224 00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:42,059 craft you know so 1225 00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:45,420 it is just so wild Brian I love it yeah 1226 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:48,059 dowsing in UFOs are usually not in the 1227 00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:50,700 same stories so you have this is so 1228 00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,099 unique I think it's great I'm glad that 1229 00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,920 we got to talk about it yes and I'll 1230 00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,079 shoot you a few photos and then you you 1231 00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,960 can see oh thank you so much Otto I hope 1232 00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:03,000 to have you on again and chat some more 1233 00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:04,680 and stay in touch keep doing what you're 1234 00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,079 doing and uh let me know what else you 1235 00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:09,900 find I appreciate you coming my way and 1236 00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:13,619 and let me air my story 1237 00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,260 Otto the dowser from Utah finding 1238 00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:19,680 amazing things and interacting with 1239 00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,040 amazing craft there's been a lot of 1240 00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:26,640 triangular craft seen recently and by 1241 00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:28,619 recently I mean this week and last week 1242 00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:31,619 in the UNA Basin of Utah there was also 1243 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:36,420 a yoga-sized ball according to our laser 1244 00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,200 range finders that we captured just east 1245 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:42,960 of a space Wolf research at our base 1246 00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,619 camp there in Utah this is been a big 1247 00:52:51,849 --> 00:52:49,020 week there was a purported cattle 1248 00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:51,859 mutilation at our North 1249 00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,339 Boundary there and more is going to be 1250 00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:58,380 revealed of all the high strangeness 1251 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:00,780 apparently the cold is not keeping 1252 00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,260 things down one bit it's every bit as 1253 00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,300 strange as it has been for quite some 1254 00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:09,119 time I was amazed to find that a lot of 1255 00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:12,900 the areas that auto discussed were areas 1256 00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,660 that not only have long histories of 1257 00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:17,700 high strangeness but one particular area 1258 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:20,579 where he saw his craft is an area I saw 1259 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,359 a craft back in the late 90s and the 1260 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:26,460 true story of the Oregon Trail is 1261 00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:28,260 something that we could probably do a 1262 00:53:33,370 --> 00:53:31,859 podcast the entire night about it's 1263 00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:33,380 amazing 1264 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,079 along this Trail as mentioned about 65 1265 00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,359 000 more or less and that according to 1266 00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:45,720 Otto that might be doubled If there 1267 00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,540 really are as many bodies as he's saying 1268 00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:51,599 but that's a lot of people a half a 1269 00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:54,180 million people crossing along the same 1270 00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:57,660 trails and times were tough it sounds 1271 00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,900 like uh about 10 percent didn't make it 1272 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,599 for whatever reasons and I was 1273 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:05,880 fascinated to find out that the majority 1274 00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,800 of the shootings were suicide it was 1275 00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:10,319 just that hard sure there was the 1276 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,400 occasional Massacre robbery killing 1277 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:17,520 theft Etc but the majority of the 1278 00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,040 shootings were self-induced because of 1279 00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:22,980 hardship starvation sickness and the 1280 00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:26,839 like rough times along the Oregon Trail 1281 00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,180 and I hope we can have auto back I'm 1282 00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:32,520 sure he will find more interesting 1283 00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:36,559 phenomena on his journey of 1284 00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:39,740 documenting fines along the Oregon Trail 1285 00:54:46,849 --> 00:54:43,859 and using dowsing is his primary source 1286 00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,859 of finding this evidence so until next 1287 00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,440 time keep your eyes to the skies feet on 1288 00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:51,780 the ground and don't forget to take a